Thursday, October 23, 2008

This is America.

This is what it's all about right here. This is an AMAZING video.

Honestly, no sarcasm here. This is one of the greatest things I've seen during this election. You have a group show up and voice their opinion and another group show up and voice their opinion and thru talking they resolve the conflict (with Group A leaving).

I applaud the folks in this video for standing up for what they believe and talking it out and choosing tolerance and respect and intellect.


  1. YES! Very good.

    "Are you deliberately trying to lose us this election? Or..."

    I love it! hehehe

  2. No, This is America
    *points at crotch and thrusts hips*

    Check out the Campaign if it was a D&D campaign.

  3. HILARY: WTF you guys. Why am I playing the cleric?

  4. I wish I knew that mans name. The man who actually works for the campaign and who is Muslim. It would be vital information for those misinformed during phone banks.

  5. I wonder who wrote the book of Love.

  6. Joel..
    It was Kathleen McGowan according to amazon.

  7. Ok well I figured I have broken my own personal record for longest time not irritating anyone around here, so here goes:

    I'm voting Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

    I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

    I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

    I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

    I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

    I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

    I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

    I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive. I actually believe that the best defense of abortion is protecting the life of the mother, and rape instance, even though only 1% of abortions are performed in rape cases and .0004% of abortions are to protect the life of the mother.

    I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

    I'm voting Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe Illegal Immigrants should stay in this country, share the wealth and send it back home to their countries.

    Happy Friday!

  8. Wait a minute...
    I see what you just did there..

    Well played..

  9. Yay Joel's voting democrat :)

    Did you type that up yourself or copy it from somewhere?

  10. I got it in an email and deleted all the stuff I didn't agree with and made some of my own tweaks.

    The Obama Campaign and his totally understandable stances on Abortion (particularly late-term) and Income Redistribution have really changed the way that I look at things. I never realized how selfish I was! Here I thought it was the right thing to want to make more money so I could have what I wanted. Now I see that what I really should be doing is giving all the extra money to other people that don't want to have to make their own. I feel so silly now! Oh well, at least I see the light now.

  11. Yeah tithing can be a pretty dumb system if you think about it - oh wait, you were talking about taxes.

  12. Hehe you just compared Tithing to paying taxes. That is funny to me. God, the Government... Same difference. I guess that's an easy pill to swallow if you actually believe that paying your taxes is a prerequisite to patriotism.

    Oh SHIT I just blew my cover....


  13. It's totally comparable. You're giving a portion of your money to a group that will accumulate it from the other people in the group to spend on the greater good of the group.

    Steeples and stealth bombers are expensive. And I'm fine with that example as long as the government does start buying steeples and churches dont start buying stealth bombers.

  14. And as long as people make it a prerequiste that you believe in Christ and think we were founded as and still are a Christian nation and want to bring that into everyone's life while waving a huge flag and not saying anything against America at all, then I think saying it's patriot to pay your taxes isnt that big of a stretch.

    Think of it this way is it patriotic to NOT pay your taxes? I dont know, I always pay my taxes and I feel sufficiently patriotic. I guess we could ask Joe the plumber his thoughts since he's skipped paying his taxes a little bit. But I'm sure that's fine, we're just fighting in two wars and one war on idealism and our schools are perfect, so we would've just blown that money anyway. Not a big deal. I mean they're the government they can just borrow even more money from China to pay for all the shit they want instead of asking us for it.

  15. *prays his church accepts his petition to purchase a stealth bomber*

  16. Wow.

    Horses can sign marriages licenses? Or for that matter, any other animal can?


    Didn't realize that was such a terrible crime in America.

  17. Hahah Jon.

    "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also".

    The biblical principle of paying tithes is not about paying the bills of the church. It is about acknowledging you are not obsessed with belongings, particularly money. It is a testimony that all good things in some shape or form come from God - the ability to get wealth comes from gifts and abilities that God decided to establish in us before we were even born.

    Taxes are collected to pay for things. You don't pay your taxes because the government gave you the opportunity to earn money.

    Your argument about whether not paying taxes is patriotic is nonsensical. You're comparing the assertions that you have to be christian to be patriotic to your VP candidate's own words? Did McCain or Palin say it's time to be patriotic when someone asked what to tell a person that doesn't want to believe in God?

    I don't know of anywhere on earth where a person with a religious view that is a polar opposite of their country's native religion can be more at home then in the United States. You think we aren't tolerant of other religions? Are you frigging kidding me?!?! We're less tolerant of Christianity in many (more liberal) parts of this country than anything else.

    Also, I am a little disheartened to see you stepping on the bandwagon of trashing 'Joe the Plumber', a guy that is only a household name because his simple question led to Obama making one of the most shockingly revealing, and appalling statements of his campaign. That's a little low, don't you think? How does his owing back taxes make his question any less valid? Or does it? Why even bring him into this?

    The Government gets plenty of our money Cory. The solution isn't to give them more, but to demand that they are responsible with that they are getting. And if they are held to a new standard, and if we unburden the businesses that create jobs our economy will grow. The idea of growing the economy by giving people that give the least the ability to give even less, while taking more from the businesses that are already giving the most is insanity. You think they'll just shrug it off and continue to hand over more and more? Why? Why stay in business if your profits are increasingly being handed over to the government? I know several small business owners that are already thinking about layoffs in anticipation of Obama winning the election.

    Since Biden has already admitted the poll numbers are going to be low in a year (yet they will be doing what is right, so you should 'stick with them'), he apparently thinks the majority of American people don't know what is best for our country. Is that is why there are growing concerns that a lot of the market volatility we are seeing is stemming from worry about Obama winning the election?

    So anyway, your analogy between the church and the government is completely broken. The church doesn't take money in from the outside and spend it on themselves. They also don't demand money and exact penalties if you don't give. They take money from their own members who voluntarily give and use it for the betterment of outside groups. It's the exact opposite of the government, especially as it exists today. Government takes our tax money and spends it mostly on their own interests. The currently approval rating of the US Congress and the Bush Administration makes this very obvious. No one seems to believe they have our best interests in mind.

  18. A follow-up on the religious aspect of what you said, "I don't know of anywhere on earth where a person with a religious view that is a polar opposite of their country's native religion can be more at home then in the United States."

    Why is it that people criticize Barack Obama for being an apparent Muslim? Obviously, being Muslim in a Christian United States doesn't meet eye-to-eye.

    And why is it Mormons are forced from their religious beliefs in America, to only marry one person?

  19. Jordan: The people that are calling Obama a Muslim are on the fringe. It's human nature, there are always fringe people.

    Marrying more than one person isn't required to follow the Mormon faith.

    Are you trying to make the argument that America isn't tolerant when it comes to religion? That's crazy.

    As long as your religious beliefs don't bring harm to anyone else or break the law you can do just about anything you want in America. Go to a Marilyn Manson or Madonna concert and watch them mock Christianity if you don't believe me. Christianity isn't collectively forced on anyone in this country.

  20. There are millions of Muslims in the United States, living totally normal lives. The president doesn't and shouldn't get held to the same standard. When our constitution is founded on the moral standards of Christian beliefs, it not be reasonable to elect a person to the highest office in the country that subscribes to a belief that is very contrary to it.

  21. And no, I am not saying Obama is a muslim, but I am explaining why concerns that he could be or once was are a valid reason to dissuade someone from voting for him.

    Anyone that would use this defence, however, probably needs to do the right kind of research so they will learn that he very clearly isn't a Muslim, but an openly admitted and practicing Christian.

  22. I still don't see how that can be accurate. When someone isn't allowed to get married to the person they love, because the argument entails it's immoral and against the bible, than it, to me, it expressing your Christian beliefs on me.

    Since I can't marry the person I want to marry, because Christianity tells me I can't, that's what I have a hard time processing.

    And I like some Manson music and Madonna has some good dance music, but me going to one of their concerts, is beyond me. I'll stick with Panic at the Disco, TBS, and Josh Groban! =D


  23. You can have a civil union. It's like saying you want to have a hamburger that has chicken instead of hamburger and still call it a hamburger. The definition of Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. No one is telling you who you can marry, you're trying to tell other people to change the core meaning of what marriage is and always has been. Changing the meaning wouldn't make sense any more than changing our national anthem because it says "Under God". It is our heritage. It is part of our Country, and it should never be changed or removed. Being tolerant is one thing, but blurring your foundation is another thing entirely.

  24. Since this thread is all over the place, I'll just touch on the very last point brought up.

    In Ohio you cannot, cannot enter into any legal agreement between same-sex couples that would equate to anything as a legal representation of their relationship, including *John McCain condescending air quotes* "civil unions".

    Another exciting and amazing thing legal here in Ohio ... You can be fired from your job for being gay and it's perfectly legal. Wooo!

    And to clear up a few more things:

    Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed not God. A good number of our "founding fathers" were Deists and not Christians and no where in the constitution says that any "God" is the correct God.

    They followed certain social norms that came from the Christian faith, but that was a carry over from where they came from. If they actually believed whole-heartily in the Bible they never would have rebelled in the first place, unless their version of the Bible didnt include the book of Samuel. *shrugs*

    And the "Star Spangled Banner" says "In God is our Trust" and it wasnt made our national anthem until 1931. And before that back to George Washington the song used was "Hail Columbia" which really no more references the Christian God then it does an army of zombies to rise and defend us. Okay, well actually a pretty strong case can be made for the calling upon an undead army, but I digress.

  25. I hate to be the "wacky christian" but I am 100% for separation of church and state, and church and school.
    I want to teach my kids about religion, not someone else who is going to teach them that evolution is bullshit.

    From this site

    It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States.

  26. Ok well I'm not opposed to civil unions, just the redefinition of marriage.

    I agree with Jon about separation of religion in school. My Science teacher taught about evolution, but explained that it was a theory, and some believe in it and others believe in a creator. Since it was science and not a class about God or religious subject matter, he taught about the scientific route, evolution. Neither was discredited. I totally agree that it is the responsibility of parents to teach their children the way they believe, and to do it in a thoughtful way that encourages discussion from the child so they can form their own beliefs. After all, nothing is worse than believing something just because you don't know anything different and that's the way your parents did it.

  27. This is getting deep

    **crowd Oohs and ahhs**

    I don't believe anyone is necessarily trying to change the meaning of marriage, in any way. Nor do I see allowing people to marry effects marriage, in any way.

    Marriage has different definitions depending on what book you're reading. Good ol' Wiki for instance: Marriage is a social, religious, spiritual, or legal union of individuals.

    Merriam-Webster: (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage

    Plus, for further argument, has the already same-sex marriages in California and Massachusetts derailed your belief and love in God? Has the gay couples world-wide wilted "YOUR" christian values, in any way?

  28. Also, completely unrelated and off topic, but this was hilarious.

    This guy is pissed.


  29. Just in case anyone doesn't believe Obama wants to redistribute the wealth in this country.

    So why is this such an outrageous question?! Maybe Obama needs to meet with his VP candidate and catch him up on a few things...

    "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs". Sounds about right to me...

    This is very unsettling to me. The self-sufficient system of capitalism and free enterprise that made our country the greatest in the world is under attack.

    By the way, I hope your eardrums aren't bleeding from the blaring sound at the beginning of the second video. hehehe