Thursday, October 16, 2008

Post Debate Open Thread

Since Joel's chomping at the bit to comment about the debate here we go:


  1. I already did. : )

    Mostly it sucked. I almost threw up (yes, I still have that problem) when they spent 10 minutes whining about how the campaigns were going and people shouting kill him and blah blah blah.

    McCain stuttered the whole time, Obama changed the subject most of the time and fumbled around trying to defend his Ayers affiliation, it was not a game changer.

    The polls are still close, with Obama slightly leading, depending on which poll you look at, but polls are pretty meaningless.

    I am kinda running out of fight. Although it is fascinating to reflect on the fact that we're either stuck with this or this. Yay for us.

    Ohhhh boy.

  2. I saw that, that's why I started this thread to try to keep things organized. ;)

    I thought Barack held his ground and performed well, nothing spectacular save for the fact that I think he shored up his position on abortion so hopefully more people arent thinking he wants to kill every baby.

    McCain tried, but I think he came off as whiny and petty in certain respects. McCain needed something big again to stem the tide and he didnt get it tonight.

  3. Man I am so important. : )

    I don't know that Obama really shored up anything.. This is what he said:

    With respect to partial-birth abortion, I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there's an exception for the mother's health and life, and this did not contain that exception.

    McCain fired back about pro-abortionists blurring the lines with regards to the health of the mother.

    This is what former Senator Rick Santorum said to Senator Hillary Clinton on the Senate floor:

    "I refer the Senator to the State of Kansas where they have to report the reason for a partial-birth abortion; 182 were done last year, or the year before, and of those 182, none--zero--were done because of a problem with the child or a physical problem with the mother. They were classified as mental health."

  4. Okay firstly no one is pro-abortion. If you can find me someone who says they are pro-abortion and wants lots and lots of abortions I'll give you 75 cents(US).

    What I meant by him clearly defining what he meant was that some people around here that I usually have the opportunity to talk to on a daily basis literally think he wants to encourage more abortions and to make them super free and easy.

    I'm sure visions of "Barack's Drive-thru Abortatoriums(R)" at every highway exit dance thru their heads.

    He was as clear as I think he could be last night about his stance on that. And while you're right it's not clear by "mother's health" he addressed that as one of the places to find the common ground on.

    What I found more disturbing was McCain's response to the "judges" question.

    McCain: I would never and have never in all the years I've been there imposed a litmus test on any nominee to the court. That's not appropriate to do.

    McCain: I would consider anyone in their qualifications. I do not believe that someone who has supported Roe v. Wade that would be part of those qualifications. But I certainly would not impose any litmus test.

    Roe vs. Wade says that there is an inherent statement of a citizen's privacy in the Constitution under the Due Process clause. I understand that he's pro-life and doesnt agree with this on that level, but does he also think that we DONT have a right to privacy? I would have liked to hear him talk more about it on that level as well.

    A great moment from the debate - just stare at McCain's face the whole time. With or without sound it's funny.

  5. Yeah, I don't really think Obama is pro-abortion. It's like global warming stuff - I'm not opposed to conserving energy and minimizing pollution, but I'm opposed to making all kinds of regulations that are going to impede on peoples' lifestyles in the name of a theory that states we are cooking the planet, when there is a lot of evidence that we have little or no impact on the global climate, and that it warms and cools naturally.

    Similarly, I guess Obama's placement of 'what is life' as being 'above his paygrade' means he doesn't really think a fetus is a human being, so he doesn't have a big problem with abortion or see why it should be made illegal, as I do. : )

    Holy crap that video was hilarious. McCain blinked like a bajillion times! lol

  6. God said "Thou shalt not kill". And while the Bible contradicts his opinion on that fairly clear directive in different ways, what makes you think a person will listen to the rule of law if they dont listen to God himself.

    Let's make a law tomorrow that bans all abortions, that will certainly stop them.

    And you use the word "theory" in the common usage. The scientific of "theory" doesnt mean the things are a possibility but a collection of concrete measurable concepts.

  7. Eh.. It's illegal to murder people. People still get murdered. Should be make murder legal? What is more innocent than a human fetus?

    Look, I'm all for prevention in the form of contraceptives, education (NOT in elementary school), and abstinence and I understand in cases where a woman's life is in danger abortion can be an option. I don't really agree with it in rape instances because the act is just as gruesome - you're just preventing the suffrage of childbirth being exacted upon someone who didn't ask for it. While I understand why it would be a horrible experience to have to give birth to a rapist's baby, I still think you're killing a child that child doesn't deserve to die and I think that is wrong.

    With regards to the word theory, listen to what I mean not what I say unless I say what I mean.

  8. Blah! Bleh! Blugh! Puke!

    I'm getting tired of hearing about "If you want wanted to run against Bush, you should have ran 4 years ago," and how apparently AWESOME the quote was. It stomped Barack Obama! It made him look like a fool.

    I called people today during phone banking and EVERYONE who talked about the Debate with me, mentioned that. Did anyone watch what happened after he said it?


  9. Yeah, I thought it was catchy and witty, but didn't really stick. Apparently other people think otherwise. Then again, Obama thought he wasn't experienced enough in '04 to run anyway, so it's kinda a moot point. : )

    Apparently he's been drinking milk or something...